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< Ray                                  21-Jan-98 >

< Rhonda                               21-Jan-98 >

< My vote goes to Titanic              21-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  21-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 21-Jan-98 >

< Ex Mayor                             21-Jan-98 >

< Nora                                 21-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  21-Jan-98 >

< Dee                                  21-Jan-98 >

< Rhonda                               21-Jan-98 >

< Rays "Friend"                        21-Jan-98 >

< Alex                                 21-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 22-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  22-Jan-98 >

< Irish Girl                           22-Jan-98 >

< Alex                                 22-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  22-Jan-98 >

< Lynn                                 22-Jan-98 >

< Nora                                 22-Jan-98 >

< Lynn                                 22-Jan-98 >

< Crystal                              22-Jan-98 >

< Alex                                 22-Jan-98 >

< Ex Mayor                             22-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  22-Jan-98 >

< Fran to Ray                          23-Jan-98 >

< Irish Girl                           23-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  23-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 23-Jan-98 >

< Irish Girl                           23-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 23-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  23-Jan-98 >

< Crystal - trying again               23-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  23-Jan-98 >

< Crystal at last                      23-Jan-98 >

< Crystal to Rhonda                    23-Jan-98 >

< Kathryn                              23-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 23-Jan-98 >

< Crystal                              23-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 23-Jan-98 >

< C                                    23-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 23-Jan-98 >

< C                                    23-Jan-98 >

< Rhonda                               23-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 23-Jan-98 >

< Crystal                              23-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 23-Jan-98 >

< Rhonda                               23-Jan-98 >

< C                                    23-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 23-Jan-98 >

< Rhonda                               23-Jan-98 >

< C                                    23-Jan-98 >

< Rhonda                               23-Jan-98 >

< Crystal                              23-Jan-98 >

< Rhonda                               23-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 23-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 23-Jan-98 >

< Alex                                 23-Jan-98 >

< Rhonda                               23-Jan-98 >

< Alex                                 24-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 24-Jan-98 >

< Crystal                              24-Jan-98 >

< Mother Wit                           24-Jan-98 >

< Nora                                 24-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  24-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 24-Jan-98 >

< Alex                                 24-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 24-Jan-98 >

< Nora                                 24-Jan-98 >

< Rhonda                               24-Jan-98 >

< Nora the Smartass                    24-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  24-Jan-98 >

< Alex to Fran                         25-Jan-98 >

<  Orangewoman's Mom                   25-Jan-98 >

< Fran                                 25-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  25-Jan-98 >

< TO RAY                               25-Jan-98 >

< Rhonda                               25-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  26-Jan-98 >

< Irish Girl                           26-Jan-98 >

< Irish Girl                           26-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  26-Jan-98 >

< Crystal                              26-Jan-98 >

< Ray                                  26-Jan-98 >

< Subject: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Ray
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

Taking Irish Girl's suggestion, I am starting this as Wimmin 6. (Not to be confused with "Girl 6," an atrocious Spike Lee film.)

Let's see: there are two topics on my mind these days. The first is movies. This past weekend, I finally saw both "Titanic" and "Good Will Hunting." Both were excellent films, perhaps even great. What I can't for the life of me decide, is which I liked BETTER. For those who've seen them, what do y'all say?

Also, I was wondering if anyone has any good recipes they'd like to share. I've got a few, but since I'm at work right now, I'd have to go home and look them up first.

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< From: >Rhonda
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

I liked Girl 6.

My co-workers and I were just discussing 'theater-worthy' flicks vs. 'non-theater-worthy' flicks. Granted, Girl 6 isn't 'theater-worthy' - but I think it makes a good rental.

Twister, for example was 'theater-worthy' becuase of the special effects. As a rental, however, its so-so. Gotta see that one on the big screen. Dontcha agree?

Haven't seen Titantic or Good Will Huntic yet. I can't sit still for 3 hours. I may have to rent Titantic. However, I hear the special FX are great so I am torn about that one. I've heard good things about Good Will Hunting but it looks like it would make a great rental. Should I wait, Ray?

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< From: >My vote goes to Titanic
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

Not only was Titanic a "titanic" effort, we won't have to deal with a poorly made sequel.

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< From: >Ray
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

I'd say both are worth an immediate look, and not just because of effects. I've got a 48-inch tv hooked up to my stereo's dolby suuround sound, so effects are still usually pretty good for me at home. For me, the thing about going to the movies, as opposed to watching them at home, is the communal experience of being with people and having everyone laugh, and cry, together. Titanic, especially, should be viewed on the big screen, because everyone leaves the theater completely blown away by the experience. I thought 3 1/2 hours would be too much, also, but you'd be surprised how it goes by when you're watching something that's worthy. I saw it in the Mountainside Sony Theaters, which have excellent acoustics and pretty comfortable seats. Mountainside may be a bit far for you, but I know Sony has similar movie complexes in East Hanover and Newark, so maybe you should check it out on one of those.

If you need to wait, Good Will Hunting will still be an excellent movie on the small screen but, having seen it, I'd still say go see it as soon as possible. It'll blow your mind.

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

First the humor: why see a movie when you already know the ending?

I really am a crazy dob, I know. I am so twisted, I don't know what to do with myself. I have been going from tears to gales of laughter all day. I don't know if that's good or bad. It's just me.

My best friend in all the world, a woman who has been like a mother to me since I met her in 1978, Miss Margaret Pra, died this morning at the age of sixty.

Margaret had cerebral palsy and was confined to a wheelchair most of her life. She had a terribly twisted spine and had had both femurs removed. She could have had alot to be bitter about in life. It had dealt her a pretty lousy hand.

But Margaret had the most cheerful personality and the most delightful sense of humor of anyone I've ever met.

We met when I worked at a summer camp for disabled kids. In exchange for my work, my kids got a summer in the country. I was pissed off early on because whoever was supposed to be doing my campers' laundry wasn't doing the job to my satisfaction.

I marched up the hill to the laundry facilities and there was Margaret, in her wheelchair, doing laundry. She laughed at me, and I was smitten for life. We did alot of laundry together that summer.

Rambling. Sorry. I wasn't ready for this. My heart's broken.

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< From: >Ex Mayor
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

Fran, our sympathies on your loss. You will recall her fondly in your memories and in your heart.

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< From: >Nora
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

So sad Fran, and coming so soon after your brother. I know words can't help, but I hope you know you're in our hearts.

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< From: >Ray
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

My condolences, Fran. And to think, you were concerned about how I was feeling.

Again, sorry to hear of your loss.

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< From: >Dee
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

We are Wimmin.

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< From: >Rhonda
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

Sorry to hear of your Loss, Fran. Truly sorry. Wimmin are here for you.

Love, Rhonda

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< From: >Rays "Friend"
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

Do you think your experience of Titanic may have been enhanced by the company? I know I said I wouldn't "intrude" and visit this site again, but I lied.

You Know Who

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< From: >Alex
< Date: 21-Jan-98 >

Sorry for your loss, Fran. Your feelings for Margaret come thru in your post.

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

Thanx all.

Looks like '98 is going to teach me the immediacy of today, the importance of now, the preciousness of life, and the fact that today, this very moment, is all there is. I thought I knew all that. Guess not.

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< From: >Ray
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

Life is very short/and there's no time/for fussing and fighting, my friends

-- "We Can Work It Out" John Lennon/Paul McCartney

It's an important lesson; one I wish most of us could learn without all the accompanying heartbreak.

Not to change the subject too much, but I've got news for you guys and I wondered what sort of reaction I would get.

I am going out tomorrow night on a blind date with someone I met over the Internet. We started exchanging e-mails, then we started calling each other on the phone, and I feel like I've gotten to know her pretty well.

HOWEVER, we've still never met in person. And I hate to seem like the prototypical shallow guy, but I really do hope she's cute. We've gotten on so well, I just am afraid I'll meet her and be completely let down and not attracted to her. (She SOUNDS very attractive, but then again, I've seen some of those phone sex operators on "Ricki Lake" and, whew, boy. 'Nuff said.)

Anyway, do you folks think I'm being stupid for going out on a date with someone I've never met before? How about those of you who HAVE met each other (Crystal/Dee, Lynn/Nora). Were you nervous before finally meeting in the flesh? I just feel like I'm kind of getting cold feet.

Any thoughts, any banter, any anecdotes...

(For those still wondering what that is, it's my Joe Franklin impersonation.)

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< From: >Irish Girl
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

Ok Ray, I will choose banter for $500....

On the issue of going on a blind date set up via Internet, I say go for it.

On being "stupid", yes I have to agree you are being stupid on one thing. You said you were worried that when you met her you might not be attracted to her....any which way you look at that, that is SHALLOW! C'mon Ray, we expect more from you than that!

You say you have spoke to her on the phone, gotten to know her "pretty well" (tsk tsk - the grammer police are gonna getcha!) and that "we've gotten on so well". You are letting your hormones lead you down the wrong path Rayman!! There are a million quotes/sayings that I could use here. I choose this one & will end my post with it:

Beauty is only skin deep!

Love to ya Ray & hope all goes well tonight. Dew let us know how you get on.

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< From: >Alex
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

Blind dates - yech! The thought conjures up sweaty palms, jumpy stomach and lots of "Oh why did I agree to this?" And that's just thinking about regular blind dates, the kind where a friend of a friend introduces you.

With Internet blind dates - I hope you're meeting her someplace where you both feel safe and comfortable. But at least you've had the advantage of talking with her and you get along.

As far as being "shallow" - What is cute anyway? What attacts me physically to another person I can't even explain to myself (Well, I can a little). If I asked, let's say 20 wimmin, "Is Ray cute?", bet I'd get different answers. I'm not knocking you - just pointing out we all have different things we like to look at. (By the way, Are you cute? *smile*

Go for it, Ray, and I hope you both have a wonderful time.

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< From: >Ray
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

I know I'm being shallow. And I'm not saying she has to be a knockout, because, hell, I'm not a knockout either. But I'm just being honest -- after getting to know one another and getting to really like her "virtual" self, I would probably be pretty disappointed her looks really turned me off. Of course all the other stuff is more important. I'll never deny that. But come on, you have to admit that looks DO matter somewhat. I mean, if you don't have the physical attraction, at least some modicum of attraction, then it's pretty hard to get close.

As to whether I'm "cute," jeez, you're making me blush. I'm fairly self-conscious, so I don't know if I could answer that question honestly. I would probably say "no," but then again, (not to brag) I've attracted a few very beautiful women in my day, so I guess I can't be TOO bad.

Awww, shucks. You did it. I'm beat red now.

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< From: >Lynn
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

Ray, you are too young to know anything at all about Joe Franklin! What? Did you lie awake nights clutching bear-bear, stearing at the ceiling, listening to your parents watch him? Poor baby Ray!

Hey, go for it, dude! Ya never know! She might be a babe, like Miss Nora. Or, she could be distinctly un-babe-ish, like yours truly. (I sincerely hope she's not a big bad dyke). You only go 'round once, Ray. What the hell?

As for never having met her, well, there are millions of people you've never met - get crackin' there, old boy!

It's worked out really well for Nora and I. Although to tell you the truth we're kind of at odds over the Rho-Mol controversy right now. Our first fight, and it started where it all started. Strange! She's not scaring me away with this bull$#it! I've decided I'm in it for the long-haul.

Anyway, have a great time, you shallow son-of-a-gun!

PS - Nora really IS a babe!

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< From: >Nora
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

I hate that word, and I swear I'm going to throw this woman out of my house before the night is over!

Don't do it, Ray. She's probably a self-absorbed, obnoxious, opinionated, domineering Amazon!

And maybe you'll fall for her, and then what? You'll just have to learn to live with a self-absorbed, obnoxious, opinionated Amazon.

Have a good time!

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< From: >Lynn
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

I am not self-absorbed!

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< From: >Crystal
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

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< From: >Alex
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

Gee, sorry I made you blush, Ray. NOT

Yes, looks matter. But what kind of looks. I think my husband is sexy, good-looking etc. and he tells people that I must have been attracted to something else because he never thought of himself as good-looking. If I'm really honest I guess I could say he's average, but not to me! To me he's drop dead gorgeous!

I think you're virtually cute, Ray, and I hope both of you have a passionate first meeting; sweep each other off your feet; fall madly in love; settle down; and live happily ever after. (Boy, do I sound like I'm married or what.)

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< From: >Ex Mayor
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

You've done the right things so far. Exchanged emails -- which gives both of you some idea about how each of you thinks. Chatted on the phone -- which at least lets each of you know how the other sounds and helps you to know each other even better. The only thing left is the 'visual' thing.

Should you go for it? Of course!! Is there any question?

Just so you know where I'm coming from (there's another colloquialism), Sharon and I met via blind date, set up by a guy I knew in college who went through high school with Sharon. The rest is history and the result is the Orangewoman and her mean-ager brother, Justin.

If you need backup, take her someplace in town. I'll try to maintain a discreet surveillance and patrol in that sector!

Just let us all know how you made out! (PUN PUN PUN)

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< From: >Ray
< Date: 22-Jan-98 >

Her younger brother actually graduated from JDRHS with Orangewoman, Ex. I put in a call to the frozen tundra of Central NY earlier today to get her take on the young lad, which wasn't too positive. Oh well. I suppose I shouldn't judge a girl by her siblings.

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< From: >Fran to Ray
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

WELL???

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< From: >Irish Girl
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

RAY RAY RAY

we await your report

p.s. is anyone else's computer having problems getting in here thismorning?

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< From: >Ray
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Hasn't happened yet. Go back to my first post from yesterday where I said "tomorrow night." That would mean, tonight. So I don't have anything to report, yet.

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Gee. Usually I'm a day late. Don't know if I can deal with being a day early.

IG, no trouble getting in, but my keyboard seems to be having trouble communicating. Strange.

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< From: >Irish Girl
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Ray - OH! *laughs sheepishly* sorry about that...

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Oh! Glorious bad weather! I have another snow day and nothing to do but hit the surf! I love it!

Well, RJL, since the date of the century hasn't happened that means we get a whole 'nother day to rake you over the coals about it!

I don't think you're shallow, by the way. You're just a normal guy. In fact, just normal. I've been around the block a time or two, and I will admit that I have never been attracted to a real wwo-woof. Of course, attraction is one of those intangible, totally subjective things that's impossible to quantify. What I find attractive you very well might not, and vice-versa.

It seems to me that there's a sort of universal standard of beauty, which very few people measure up to, but if just enough of the standard criteria are met, one can be percieved as beautiful. Does that make sense? I mean, if the eyes aren't too far apart, and the nose isn't that much longer than Streisand's and most of the teeth are there... you know what I mean! A person can be beautiful without being perfect.

Also, the personality has ALOT to do with beauty. Nothing spoils beauty more quickly than an ugly spirit.

Know who I think is a total fox? Fran Dresher! But she's also the type that would intimidate me and send me into the woodwork. Perhaps less totally foxy but much more approachable, and just as attractive to me for different reasons: Rosie O'Donnell. You see what I mean about attraction being a strange thing?

I figure, you're already attracted to this young lady, or you wouldn't be meeting her. The rest is chemistry. It all depends on how far apart her eyes are, Ray.

Man, I hope she's not the one who keeps dropping in here. If she reads all this, she'll back out for sure!

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< From: >Ray
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

I think Fran Drescher is one of the sexiest women I've ever seen. Rosie? Ehh. She's not ugly, but actually, in her case, her personality turns me OFF, rather than on. So obviously, I see what you mean by subjective.

Anyway, no, the one who drops by occasionally (posting as "Ray's Friend" and "Passerby") is my last significant "ex," who still, despite all of the heartbreak we've both gone through over each other, remains one of my best friends in the world. And I really don't think she'll be back. This is "my" space, and she doesn't feel comfortable invading it. The last time she dropped by, it was 'cuz I told her to check out the novel and maybe post a line or two.

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< From: >Crystal - trying again
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

All the best, Ray!

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< From: >Ray
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

I still can't see what you posted, Crys, but thanks for the thought.

Well, I'm off to see the Wizard. Gulp. I'll talk to y'all tomorrow.

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< From: >Crystal at last
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

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< From: >Crystal to Rhonda
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Rhonda, I know I'm being bad and breaking my promise. I am acting out in an attempt to get attention.

I miss you.

Crystal

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< From: >Kathryn
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Good luck, Ray. There are blind dates :-) and then there are blind dates :-(. I went on my very first blind date at age 49 and married him. We both had joined a singles service for people interested in social issues (world peace, ending racism, saving the rainforests, etc.). Contact was made by mail forwarded through the service's office (very safe that way), we met at a restaurant half way between his home and mine -- the rest is good as gold history. The family that pickets together, stays together...

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Hi Kathryn. Where 'ya been?

World peace, saving the rainforest and ending racism? Sounds real good to me! My family was like that. I remember picketing Gracie Mansion when I was about 7 or so, and countless marches on Albany. A kindred spirit! I knew there was something I liked about you.

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< From: >Crystal
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Hi Fran. You still there?

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

I'm here. What's up, little sister?

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< From: >C
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

I'm feeling really lousy. The weather's got me down. All the changes in here have got me down. I feel like I've lost my best friends.

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

I know what you mean. I kinda feel that way too. It looks like some folks are staying away, maybe because they don't know how to go with the changes. Where's Dee?

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< From: >C
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Her Aunt fell last night and hurt her hip and her arm. Nothings broken, but she's hurting pretty bad. I went to see her this afternoon. She's really cool. Just like Dee described her to me. So Dee's staying pretty close to home.

She's really neat, Fran. I like her alot.

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< From: >Rhonda
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Needed some time off-line, ladies. Alex sent me an e-mail today. How can we get this place rockin' again?

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

I take it the feeling is mutual?

Have you ever dated an 'older woman' before? What's it like?

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< From: >Crystal
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

RHONDA IS IN THE HOUSE!!!

I missed you!

To Fran: No, I haven't, and it feels a little strange, but I'm older on the inside than I am on the outside!

Rhonda: We gotta think of something!

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Alright, Rhonda!

Let's rock this place!

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< From: >Rhonda
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Crystal and Dee sittin' in a tree?

Have I been gone THAT long??

Ray on a blind date??

HTML in the Wimmin thread??

Well...I have my work cut out for me don't I? Have we given up on the novel idea of contributing to our Novel?

What's the scoop??

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< From: >C
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Don't go in TEST, Rhonda. I did something in there that didn't work. I was trying to put in a link to a crazy webpage I made, and instead of making the link, I linked the whole thing to nothing. It's wierd. Anyway, you'll probably crash, so don't go there!

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Wanna start another one, or just go on with II?

Crystal has been acting out (HTML) and Crystal and Dee appear to be getting kinda cozy. I think that started last weekend.

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< From: >Rhonda
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Been there! I was wondering what that was about. A couple of weeks ago I saw a PARACHAT in the TEST area. I thought it was neat cause we could all chat realtime. Its not there anymore. Do you know anything about that? Do any of you have IRC? I would like to chat real time. Let's find a way.

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< From: >C
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

I'm sorry.

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< From: >Rhonda
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Naughty looks good on you, Crystal. Don't appologize. :-)

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< From: >Crystal
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

We only have one computer, and my father doesn't let me use it anymore for 'frivolous' things. So I got WebTV. It has access to IRC, but I'm not sure how it works. I can find out.

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< From: >Rhonda
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Fran: I didn't much care for the 2nd Novel. Can we start fresh? Maybe we should discuss in the Literary thread.

Alex is on her way... :-)

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Pretty much the same story here. My computer is a real dinosaur. I use it for recordkeeping, word processing, etc. I got the box so I could lie in bed, eat popcorn and talk to strangers. Actually, I have it hooked up to a 25" TV, so it's pretty cool.

I also am ignorant about IRC, but I'll see what I can dig up.

I think the link to Sneaker Chat is still in TEST, if you knock it back to 30 days. But, you need Java, which WebTV had, but it somehow got taken off the menu when Bill Gates bought the system.

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< From: >Fran
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Meetcha there.

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< From: >Alex
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Hi all!

I'm not sure about contributing to another novel. I feel really intimidated by how well you all write. (Nothing bad here, just some quaking self-esteem. Writing was never my thing. I'm more the science, math, technical type.) I eavesdropped on your threads forever but it was the HTML that finally got me to contribute. And now I'm so glad I did.

Anyway, I'll give it a go.

I don't have IRC. Slow computer and modem and I never really thought about it. I'll see what I can do.

Hope Ray's date isn't a "washout."

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< From: >Rhonda
< Date: 23-Jan-98 >

Alex...meet us in LITERARY...pulllleeeeeez

Love ya - Rhonda

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Alex
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

Well, Ray, we're waiting.

We don't need all the details - just a general sense of how it went.

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Fran
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

What do you meen, we don't need all the details??

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Crystal
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

I can't believe it! I've had 16 hits already on the They Inc. page, and three emails! Cool!

Check out this site for a laugh, too:

www.pressanykey.com/jquiz.html

It's called the Densa Quiz. How will you score???

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Mother Wit
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

Found this page and am fascinated by the banter. I am very curious about Ray's blind date. It was interesting reading the womanly advise given to Ray. I will also go to see the "Densa Quiz" - what is it? My experiences with blind dates wete more positive than negative. The ones my parents set me up with, as a teenager, ended up having"Roman" hands and interested in one thing. Yet the ones my friends set me up with were always great. So great that I married my last blind date. We are married over a 1/4 of a century and it's never been dull. soooooo- Ray ....What's the story?????? Waiting anxiously for your reply. Regards to all.

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Nora
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

Well, hello Mother Wit!

It's always nice to meet new people.

My SO and I met right here on these threads, so interesting things can happen here!

Ray, we're waiting...

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Ray
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

Sorry. I've been busy trying to sell homes today. (Did you know I was also a realtor?) It went pretty well, buuuuuuuuuuut......

I don't know. I know my comments from yesterday will indicate that I was predisposed to having a bad impression, but I just kind of didn't feel it, y'know? I mean, I've still got an open mind and everything, but my initial impression was, this is not someone I could date.

She wasn't UNattractive, though she did have sort of a Cabbage Patch Doll face. It was more like her sense of style and mine just didn't seem to mesh well. She was sort of a mall rat, too much makeup, too-long nails, too much perfume. And she seemed sort of close-minded.

One of the things that turned me off, right away was when we were driving over to Rascal's Comedy Club (saw Darryl Hammond of SNL) I was playing a mix-tape in my car that consisted of Jamiroquai, the Brand New Heavies, Incognito, A Tribe Called Quest, Notorious B I G, and other stuff I like to groove to. A Tribe song came on (I think it was "Steve Biko") and she asked "What's this?" I told her the group and she was like "You listen to this?" So I'm like, "Yeah, I've seen them live three times actually." So I ask her what kind of music she likes and she says, oh, 311, Bush, etc. (generic pseudo-grunge, in my opinion) and she's like "I don't really like THIS kind of music." So I say "What do you mean?" And she says "You know, n****r music."

There are few ways to turn me off quicker than to a) insult my favorite groups or b) use the "n" word in my presence. Soooooo.....

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Fran
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

Boo! Hiss!

(Sound of tomatoes smashing on her teased hair!)

Throw her back!

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Alex
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

Oh-oh. Nora was right. Obnoxious, opinionated.

Don't fall for her, Ray. Close-minded is a death knell for a relationship.

Hey, I like your taste in music, but I like also like Bush, Metallica, Ozzie and, oldies, Shostakovich, Kronos and the list goes on and on.

Let's have a vote. Who's says dump her?

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Fran
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

I am Fran, not Lynn, although it's not the first I've been called obnoxious and opinionated! Maybe I've just been hanging out in here with Lynn too much and she's rubbing off on me!

Yikes, are we gonna get it!

I've already voted!

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Nora
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

Oh my! (Sorry to step on Dee's line!)

I once tried to overlook that kind of thing in someone. I guess I thought I could enrich her life and educate her. As Lynn would say, my Glen Ridge was showing. Needless to say, it was a disaster. Yes, someone must educate the ignorant, but not every gal will be an Eliza Doolittle.

Lose her number.

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Rhonda
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

OFF WITH HER HEAD....

he he he

Sorry - I am watching 'Mutiny on the Bounty' right now (its on Cable TV, btw) and I have very little patience for impertinence.

How'd you end it, Ray? Didya kiss her anyway? As a married woman I forget what these things are like. Do you shake hands and thank her for a lovely evening only to never see her again. Or do you just say, "sorry it didn't work out....another time, another place, maybe..."?

Please enlighten this married woman.

-Rhonda

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Nora the Smartass
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

Another life???

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Ray
< Date: 24-Jan-98 >

She said, at the end, "I had a really good time." And I was like "uh-huh." So I was just going to be polite and give her a kiss on the cheek (probably never to see her again), when she just sort of grabbed me and, like, forced her tongue in my mouth. (Sorry to be so graphic, but it was another thing that really turned me off.) I kind of just accepted it, 'cuz I had no choice, really, but it skeeved me out, man. I went home feeling sort of ...dirty. Yech!

I think I will lose the number. But I'm generally just too polite to say "leave me alone." I think she'll get the point.

I guess the question is, is it more rude to be nice and possibly lead someone on or just to tell them the truth and crush them up front? I usually opt for the former and then later wish I had done the latter.

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Alex to Fran
< Date: 25-Jan-98 >

A thousand mea culpa''s! I thought my post would go in after Ray''s. I was referring to his date as obnoxious and opinionated. When I looked in here later and saw your post ahead of mine well, gulp, I think I need some writing lessons. Sorry!

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Orangewoman's Mom
< Date: 25-Jan-98 >

Ray- read all the comments- yours and others. One- chalk it up as one of life's cruel jokes. Two- just avoid future on-line mention of dating - you know -change the subject etc. Three- I agree- using the N word or other racist labeling is an indication of her philosophy on life etc.- Four- sounds like she is toooo immature for you-her taste in music is on par with 15 and 16 year olds. Five- her taste is clothes is definately NOT your taste.Taste in clothes is a reflection of taste in other things as well. Six- you need to take some graduate classes,join a club, go line dancing, go on a singles hike etc, or hang out in Barnes and Noble- (I'm sure you could be more crea- tive) maybe there will be a nice young woman doing the same for the same reasons. Or- you could go back to the frozen tundra of Syr. and hang out, take a course or two, you could even visit and hang out on Livingston Ave with free room ( if you like futons). But most important of all... ..DON'T GIVE UP. You have to kiss many frogs before you meet a princess. PS it is different talking about this to a guy--I'm used to giving pep talks to young woman. Remember- somewhere... she's waiting for YOU!!!

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Fran
< Date: 25-Jan-98 >

We are in the house!

(Sorry Lynn, I got here first.)

Alex: No problem! I laughed a hearty laugh!

To Ex: OW's mom sounds like a very wise WIMMIN.

To all: Yes, we must do something about the problem of potential homelessness. Will LocalSource stay fixed, or what? Have you been in contact with Rich K, Ray? What's up with this?

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Ray
< Date: 25-Jan-98 >

To Fran:

Localsource is Ok for the moment, but we'll have to see how it deals with the technical problems it is experiencing. I think some major changes are necessary, and I suggest anyone with similar concerns e-mail Worall to express concerns.

To SK (aka Orangewoman's Mom):

Thanks for the advice. I do actually take courses at FDU right now. Barnes and Noble is a sore point. Susan, my ex, works for the company as a CRC (community relations coordinator) so I tend to hang in Borders instead, where I'm less likely to be spotted by a friend of hers ( or she herself.)

I do meet plenty of people. I'm not desperate or anything. (Do I sound defensive?) This was just something new, so I mentioned it. I haven't ruled out this medium (the Internet, not Localsource, per se) as a forum for meeting other people, either. I'll just know to be more careful in the future.

Hell, I'l 24-years-old. I'm not looking to get married. I'm still in the process of getting over a long and painful relationship with someone that I still love, so I'm not really ready to give my heart over to another just yet. I'll be fine. Life is good. I appreciate your concern, though. How've you been, by the way? Now that your hubby's been more available these last few years, are you convinced you never want him running for office again?

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >TO RAY
< Date: 25-Jan-98 >

DON'T BE GAY RAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Rhonda
< Date: 25-Jan-98 >

I get REAL agitated when ppl attack Ray! I suspect that the Philly-Blunt Smokin' ISH is the D***weed who posted the above. Yet another example of how weed will turn you into an idiot. Though its my impressionn that this guy was an idiot before he began to smoke weed. He actually believes his own bull sh*t.

-Rhonda

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Ray
< Date: 26-Jan-98 >

Rhonda, don't sweat it. I sure don't.

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Irish Girl
< Date: 26-Jan-98 >

I am sad for you Ray, that you had to waste your time entertaining the likes of that girl. I hope you went dutch!

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Irish Girl
< Date: 26-Jan-98 >

I am sad for you Ray, that you had to waste your time entertaining the likes of that girl. I hope you went dutch!

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Ray
< Date: 26-Jan-98 >

Nahh. I could go out with Lorena Bobbitt and I'd still try to pick up the check. Just one of those macho pride things that's built into us.

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Crystal
< Date: 26-Jan-98 >

Dating is weird, no matter how you meet. I always seem to have a set thing fixed in my mind, and it always turns out different from how I imagined it would be. My mother always says that if I keep my sxpectations low, I won't be disappointed, but if they're too low I'll settle for too little. My mom has a cliche for every occasion.

To those of you who know, how hard is it to keep up a relationship when you're at college? Even if you go local and can see the person, is it really hard?

You know what I'm talking about.

< Subject: RE: WIMMIN and the men who love them >
< From: >Ray
< Date: 26-Jan-98 >

I can only speak for myself. When I left for college, and I was definitely not "local," I left behind my high school sweetheart. We swore we'd stay together and that distance would not separate us. My phone bill the first month at school was something like $350, and the second month it was $500.

In the meantime, we both met people, of course. As what would turn out to be "the beginning of the end," we agreed we could go on dates with other people while I was away, so long as neither of us got "serious," emotionally or physically.

Well, you can imagine how long that lasted. Not long at all. And so, by the time I came home for Thansgiving, we each basically had developed a new, significant relationship, but were too scared to tell each other. Partially, there was still part of us that wanted to try to keep it going (we had been together two years.) But mostly, we just were afraid of hurting each other's feelings.

She told me first, and even though I was obviously jealous, a bigger part of me was relieved that I could tell her and we didn't have to pretend anymore (lowered our phone bills significantly, as an added benefit.) And perhaps it would have ended eventually anyway, but I think having that kind of distance between you really makes it virtually impossible to maintain.

I think it's healthy. When you move on to college, you move onto another stage of your life, so it's only natural that your love-life is affected as well. Maybe for some, that high school romance can stand the test of time, but I think those people are certainly the exception, and it's not really a bad thing. It's tough when you go through it, but looking back, you tend to see it was the only thing you could do.

That's my two cents, Crys.