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<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Another View -to Ray
<Date:09-Sep-98 >

Hopefully you saw the article in yesterday's Star Ledger - Page 11, headlined "Longtime Social Security expert maps ways to save the system." Interesting ideas put forward by 84-year-old Robert Ball who has been involved with Social Security administration for the past 50 years.

Ball uses the stock market in his plan, for private supplemental accounts as well as addressing projected imbalance by calling for conversion of 50% per cen of current surplus Social Security taxes into stock market investments . He has some interesting suggestions. If you didn't see it, it's worth a trip to the library.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Damn I'm Good!
<Date:10-Sep-98 >

If you were active in the Republican party, you would know that Greg & John really don't work together because John is a Paragano-ite. John's agenda; John's views. They won't work together. Personally, I think it will be nice to see both men take a rest. However, I don't like the idea of having 5 Puppeteers up there. I think I figured something out there Tuesday night. Cryan knows that Pat is a given, and so does everybody else. Crayn also knows that Olga is a very popular candidate. Cryan will tell everybody to vote Scanlon and Ferreira (not Minton because He has a mouth and can't be pushed over. The Dem;s think they can push Olga over). You ask why not to vote for Brenda? Simple! We also have an administrator position open, right? It takes 4 votes for an administrator: Scanlon, Florio, Capodice, and Terezza (Olga will vote NO) for the one and only GARY RESTIVO, wife of Brenda Restivo. A long time advocate for the Dems, big contributor, and Cryan Cronie. You saw it here in wiriting first. Damn I'm good!!!!!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Fact Finder
<Date:10-Sep-98 >

"Damn" is not good at all--way off the mark. A new administrator will be named long before the election and it will be a professional from out of the realm of township politics.

Cryan support Olga--ridiculous!

It only takes THREE votes to appoint an admnistrator. The Dems have those three votes right now. It takes four votes to remove someone from the position.

Get your facts straight before you try to inform the world.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >
<Date:10-Sep-98 >

Right on!!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Ray
<Date:10-Sep-98 >

To Another View:

I didn't see the article, but I am intimately familiar with Dr. Ball's work. In fact, he has taken part in studies sponsored by the Independent Institute, where I'll be working in a few weeks.

I appreciate the notion of Social Security privatization, which is receiving rave reviews in Chile, Argentina, New Zealand and the UK. Dr. Ball's plan draws a lot from those, and it's got a lot going for it.

Here's where my main concern is with that plan, however. Unlike 401ks and other forms of IRAs, where private investors are empowered solely to look for the best values for their share holders -- the plan participants, in a government-controlled system, investing the Social Security trust fund into the market will effectively give the feds unprecedented power over the economy. As more and more social security funds are poured into the market, the government will be the de facto owners of greater and greater swaths of private industry.

In theory, were the government to allow its investors to operate the way mutual fund investors do now, there should be no problem with that. But what are the odds of that happening? Rather, I can forsee that with almost certainty, government investors will establish new rules and regulations regarding what companies to buy stock in. That thought scare the dickens out of me, as it can encompass everything from simple "noble" goods -- pulling back investments from Microsoft, Barnes & Noble and other firms thought to be exercising too much market power -- to all sorts of protectionism schemes (threatening to sell low whenever a company threatens to close a plant and move it overseas) to just plain and simple extortion -- give me campaign contributions, or your stock will go into the toilet.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the potential is definitely there, and following Lord Acton's dictum, I think it's more likely TO happen than NOT to happen.

In the long run, I think we should be examining ways to allow more citizens out of the system altogether, and allow them to take the money they would have spent on Social Security and instead invest it as they see fit. The privatization scheme definitely offers potential, but i think we'd have to be very, very careful about letting that genie out of the bottle.

One other step would be to gradually phase in a correction that recognizes that people today live significantly longer than the system was designed to support them. As I mentioned earlier, in 1935, a 65-year-old could expect to live another 13.5 years. In 2040, we anticipate the average 65-year-old will expect to live another 20 years.

So, say we did this. In the year 2005, we raise the Social Security age to 66. That gives plenty of time for people to begin preparing for one extra year without Social Security. In 2010, we then raise the age to 67. In 2015, we raise the age to 68. 69 in 2020. 70 in 2025. 71 in 2030. 72 in 2035, and finally 73 in 2040.

By doing this we'd begin to bring the system to a more manageable level, and one that better reflects our ability to pay. Not only do people live longer today, but they are healthier in their older years and, in general, more capable of taking care of themselves for a longer period of time.

Granted, this system would still suck for someone like me, who'd be 66 in 2040, but at least I have the time to prepare myself for that eventuality, and in the meantime, we would be able to accumulate billions more in the surplus and not expend them nearly as quickly. This would go a long way toward providing greater solvency in the long run.

I think a combination of these plans -- raising the retirement age, allowing younger people to invest more outside the system, investing a portion of the surplus in the market or other interest-bearing investments, and a liberal means-test to ensure that we don't waste money by paying Social Security to the truly WEALTHY (I was never suggesting it be taken away from the middle class or even upper-middle class wwho deserve it -- just the absolutely rich for whom it is a token pittance) -- will be the only way to fix the system for the future.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >ilikeme
<Date:12-Sep-98 >

Sorry I missed the fundraiser on Thursday nite at Costa Del Sol. Can anyone tell how everything went?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >to i like me
<Date:12-Sep-98 >

thursday was good. raised money and saw the commitment of the reps to take back union. the friends being put on ther town payroll by the D's are disgusting.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >?
<Date:13-Sep-98 >

Were there a lot of people there? Was Greg Muller there? Is he going to endorse Scanlon?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >?
<Date:13-Sep-98 >

Were there a lot of people there? Was Greg Muller there? Is he going to endorse Scanlon?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >? answered
<Date:13-Sep-98 >

Not many in attendance, but Greg was. Doubt he'll endorse Scanlon.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >observer
<Date:14-Sep-98 >

Greg would love to be on Scanlon's team-they're good freinds and have been for years-but he can't; he's a dyed-in-the-wool Reagan Republican, so you can forget about a public endorsement.However,you can be sure ther'll be no endorsement from Greg for the GOP candidates, Olga the Shrinking Violet and Charlie the Baboon. Oh.BTW, notwithstanding the endorsement, you can be sure that Greg will vote for Scanlon-probably Scanlon and Olga.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Dismayed
<Date:15-Sep-98 >

I found out this evening that FOURTEEN - 14 - people showed up and the Minton-Ferrera fundraiser on last Thursday and that TEN - 10 - of them were members of Charlie's family!! WHAT A DISGRACE !! People have been saying that Felber and Guarieelo will outpoll Mintion-Ferrera; I'm beginning to believe it--more and more, especially every time he opens his mouth.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >ilikeme
<Date:15-Sep-98 >

To: dismayed

I was informed the fundraiser was a huge success.

Over 50 in attendance, very enthusiastic. Can anyone

out ther give us the real numbers.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Jack
<Date:16-Sep-98 >

To "dismayed" and "ilikeme" regarding the fundraiser, one of my tenants works in the kitchen at Costa del Ssol and he tells me that there were less than 20 people there.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >?
<Date:20-Sep-98 >

Who will update our site now that Ray has left?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >REALIST
<Date:21-Sep-98 >

Does it really matter? Thanks to the DiGiovanni-Bellotti- Orbann leadership(??) the republican party in Union is dead.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >hal
<Date:21-Sep-98 >

tony its time to get off your duff and at least make it look like your trying

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >ilikeme
<Date:22-Sep-98 >

I saw some signs hanging in a few store windows in the center for Olga & Charlie. Can we do a little bet- ter? How about some visability? Maybe walk the center, greet voters, ask their concerns or issues. I really think we need some fast progress before the election slips away. It will be here before we know it!!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >tolikeme
<Date:22-Sep-98 >

I saw those signs during the festival...was wondering what they meant. A breath of fresh air? I haven't heard our candidates breath yet.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >ilikeme 2
<Date:23-Sep-98 >

to ilikeme: "...before the election slips away..." ????? are you serious? this election was over months ago. nobody in union is foolish enough to take charlie minton serious;he's a self-serving wannabee. olga? nice girl, but certainly has no interest in politics,just doing a favor for her boss.this is definitely "wait 'til next year" time.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Hey
<Date:23-Sep-98 >

No Republican has given up yet. It's too early. I'd hope everybody knows that these are Democrats with nothing better to do and can't afford to go drink with the Lush himself and his sidekicksand are just trying to earn Brownie Points I don't think you're getting any~

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >
<Date:24-Sep-98 >

I don't think the Republican candidates have given up yet either.

I only hope the people haven't given up and are open minded enough to listen to all candidates.

The debate is Oct. 19.

There is still time.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Rep
<Date:25-Sep-98 >

How about a picture of our candidates on our web site?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Old Wise Dem
<Date:25-Sep-98 >

It's been said many timesby everybody in Union; Minton and Ferreira will win. They don't need much, as there is only one item they need to run on: Two Party Govt. 've been reading these pages the last couple of days, and have seen some people like that J character who have been saying nothing but two party govt is the only issue needed. Like it or not, the writer is right. For all of you Union history buffs, it's how Biertempel was defeated. I've been here in Union long enough to see this happen. No matter how hard people try in the other party,it's bound to prevail. This is not a one sided opinion either - both Republicans and staunch Democrats beleive it. Don't count them out yet - better yet, just count them in.

~AR~

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Get Real
<Date:25-Sep-98 >

Face it folks--staunch Democrats DON"T vote for Republicans.

Face it folks--virtally unkown, former Democrats driven by opportunism to switch parties at the eleventh hour, with no record of civic involvement simply don't have a chance in a million.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:25-Sep-98 >

Woah Nelly! Don't count them out yet!

Union is 12000 Indie Voters, 9000 Dem, and 5000 Rep.

The main issue this year (and you're an idiot if you think that only Republicans campaign on this) is Keeping 2 Party Government alive.

Those 12000 swing a whole lotta ways.

Plus you have 2 Indies (which won't do much), and Prather in Vauxhall.

Watch out!!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Get Real
<Date:25-Sep-98 >

To J--Your numbers don't quite add up. Recent check of # of registered voters has Union slightly in excess of 29,000. I don't know the breakdown by party affiliation. Those categorized as independent aren't necessarily so. It just means they're not interested in coming out for primaries. Considering the greater prominence of Democratic candidates, greater economic resources and far better campaign organization, prospects of Republicans is rather dismal. Voters don't really care about two-party government as much as you would like to believe. They are more interested in the candidates themselves and their individual records.

Cranfored has been 5-0 Republican for several years now and the sky hasn't fallen in.

But your enthuiasm for your party is commendable. Hopefully some day they will deserve you.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >hal
<Date:25-Sep-98 >

most older people want two party goverment.and to" get real" oh i mean bernice i heard you say that when the shoe was on the other foot.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >the other side of the two-party coin
<Date:26-Sep-98 >

While the two-party issue may be attractive,I believe that at the local level people tend to vote more for the individuals whether it be for qualifications,platform or name recognition. Of course this does not affect the staunch "line-voter". Just to arbitrarily vote for an individual to maintain a ratio is often a wasted vote. This is the case this year in Union: To bypass Restivo-Scanlon in favor of Minion-Ferrear merely to create a ratio-which by the way the dems would control anyway would be a gross disservice to the electoral process and the town. The dems are so superior on background,qualifications and community involvement that this should prove to be among the more lopsided tallies in town history.of course,strange things happen in elections,but if you want to vote for Minion-Ferrera simply to achieve this mythical "watchdog" effect,then you may as well vote for any inatimate object that comes to mind.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:26-Sep-98 >

I wouldn't call it mythical at all. I think at least 1 person up there who has different views and opnions is necessary for effective government to work. I could, and so could everybody else sit and complain until they're blue in the face (except in Carol Seagel's case...he turns red) and still nothing will be done.

Will the Dems still have control? Yes! Will 4-1 or 3-2 be better than 5-0? YES!

I'm not even thinking about next year with the 1 seat on the line, the prestegious Joe Florio. Hell, I'll quit school just to run against him and get him out of there. We got a while for that.

2 party is needed. If not, for all of you business people out there, if we have a 5-0....we're gonna have a MONOPOLY in Union, NJ.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >me
<Date:27-Sep-98 >

I was at the Democratic club meeting the other night...as usual, it was packed. Cryan said the Republican candidates used to be Democrats. Was he right?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:27-Sep-98 >

Absolutely not! Those are the parents of the candidates. Charlie and Olga have been Republicans for a long time.

If your going by the books, it's sad. It also says that I'm a democrat too!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >hal
<Date:27-Sep-98 >

joe florio and jim dig ran under the gop banner at one time or another. dems have helped the gop and the gop have also had a hand helping the dems win elections.who belongs to which party is not a issue here.4 weak canidates are running this year and thats why it should not go 5-0.with the two bookends gone next year we will have no experienced commitemen which will mean cryan and petti will have to do all their thinking.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >taxpayer2
<Date:27-Sep-98 >

To : Hal

What is a "strong" candidate?

What is a "weak' candidate?

Who are the 4 weak candidates? What does "experinced mean?

What doses the phrase "a government for the people, by the people" mean to you? Is it all hogwash? Don't main stream ordinary people running for public office live up to your expectations? What are your expectations?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >hal
<Date:27-Sep-98 >

taxpayer2 read it again mabe you will get the point

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >observer
<Date:28-Sep-98 >

to hal: Once again taxpayer2 has gotten you. This poster whoever they are has your number; you made several general statements and were posed a fair question to explain.All you can do is respond, "...read it again..." ? You must think we're all as stupid as you! Nice work, TP2.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Bookworm
<Date:28-Sep-98 >

Jason, I'm surprised at you. You are off base in your 9/27 post regarding the past party affiliation of the Republican candidates. I know you wouldn't outright lie, so I'm guessing that you have been misinformed by whomever is running the Mintion-Ferrera campaign. Check the books at the County Board of Elections-I DID. Charles Minton(the candidate-checked d.o.b.- )was a registered Democrat until he changed his party affiliation on 2-7-97,presumably to support his good buddy Lou "WHAT MEMO?" Giacona. Olga Ferreira(the candidate-checked d.o.b.-) was a registered Democrat until she changed her party affiliation on 3-10-98.

You're a conscientious,hard-worker;a rare commodity in the republican camp these days. I hope you're not letting these people "pull your string".Don't allow yourself to be lowered to the Minton level of "I'll open my mouth and put my foot in it" school of behavior.

Anyway,insofar as party affiliations go,coupled with integrity,loyalty and credibility, so much for the Min-Fer "anti 5-0" defense. Time for Plan B????

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >To Hal
<Date:28-Sep-98 >

When did Joe Florio ever run as a Republican? Can you document this or are you just shooting the breeze? Was he ever registered as a Republican?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >to J
<Date:28-Sep-98 >

J, could you ask our candidates if it's true they were Democrats? If they are, it looks like a big mistake to me. How do you say 2-party government, when you aren't really a member of the party you are running for. If it is true, we look ridiculous aagain. I hope this is not true.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >disclaimer
<Date:28-Sep-98 >

PEOPLE OF UNION:

This localsource is for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only

Anything you read on these threads without name and phone number should be considered personal attacks on others.

Form your own opinions on the candidates based on your personal knowledge NOT on innuendo or accusations from these threads.

Watch the debate on October 19.

Have fun and VOTE for the best woman/man on November 3.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:28-Sep-98 >

Well, we could all ask tonight.

REPUPUBLICAN CLUB MEETING TONIGHT, 7:00, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

Hope to see you there....

I personally haven't asked my candidates myself. I beleive they are Republicans because they SAY they are Republicans. Call me gullable...call me dumb...but depending on the county or local books is even dumber. You can be registered all you want, it's how you feel, how you act, and your view. I posted it earlier; I went to go vote in the Primary and the books said I was a Democrat! The books are horrible!

As to my mis-information, I do appologize. I'm a youngin - only 19. I enjoy gettin whipped into shape by bopth parties. :) I make a lot of mistakes, and if I didn't, I wouldn't be human, and would not learn. If I don't learn, I can't help, which is what I am all about. Volunteerism and good for the benfit of all, especially my town. I am not going to sit around and watch my town go town the tubes.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >To hal
<Date:28-Sep-98 >

Still waiting to learn when Joe Florio ran as a Republican as you stated yesterday. As for Dems helping Republicans as you reported, one who comes to mind is Jerome Petti, who worked hard for the reelection of John Paragano and Greg Muller in 1995 to kill the candidacies of Bill DeMarco and Rich Galante who were nominated on a Russo ticket.

Jerome struck a deal that would return him as mayor in spite of the Rep. victory, and thereupon followed the so-called era a fusion government.

The only other instance of Dems supporting Reps was in the last Board of Education campaign when the Democratic machine supported Jim DiGiovanni although he had been their opponent in the previous township committee campaign. DiGiovanni opportunistically had dropped from the Republican party upon his failed bid for a seat on the township committee.

But Joe Florio as a Republican candidate? Please do tell us when that ever happened. You posted the assertion so you must have some kimd of basis for allegation.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >TPIIa
<Date:28-Sep-98 >

We won't see nor hear from "hal" for a few days now.Like the common coward that he is,having been caught in another lie he's slithered back under his rock.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >To All
<Date:28-Sep-98 >

Why do people feel that Scanlon and Restivo are well known and Minton and Ferreira are unknown? This is simply untrue.

I never knew who Scanlon or Restivo was and I know there are plenty of other voters out there who will attest to the same thing.

That doesn't make us uninformed, only makes us realize that Restivo and Scanlon were and are unknowns. Scanlon came in with the Cryan crowd. Restivo is a throw away.

Ferreira has been here many years and has been in the Public's reach. She has neen eye to eye and toe to toe with John Q Public for many years. She makes plenty of money and is less likely to try to Bilk the Public like the rest of the freeloaders in office now.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >To the Preceding Poster
<Date:28-Sep-98 >

What "freeloaders in office" are trying to Bilk the Public and just what do you mean by that statement? What exact;y are they doing that constitutes an effort to Bilk the Public. If you make such serious statements, you have an obligation to back them up with fact. Otherwise your comments appear to be frivolous.

As for who knows whom--what difference does that make. The election results will certainly indicate who is best known and considered to be in a position to make the best contribution to local government.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >prognosticator
<Date:29-Sep-98 >

I guess that you're feeling your oats on the heels of the Republican Club meeting tonight.Approximately 25 in attendance,half of whom were seniors who thought there was a Bingo at the Boys and Girls Club.BTW, the Republicans have a lot of nerve holding a political meeting in a publicly funded building. I really think that the Dems should jump on that-an obvious violation of ethics on the part of both the Republicans and the B&G Club.

Insofar as name recognition due to community involvement you've got to be kidding-the only way anyone in this town outside of the Portuguese community knows who Olga is is by virtue of her picture on her 'For Sale' signs. And outside of the chamber of commerce-almost entirely made up of out-of-town businessmen,the only people who know Chalie know him for the buffoon that he is.

Sure,Olga makes lots of money and she plants her 'For Sale-Price Reduced' signs on homes-ever stop to think how much this practice terrorizes the average homeowner who lives on either side of or across the street from such properties? Her "wealth" and her "blockbusting" are two major reasons that people won't vote for her.

In closing, that circus wagon that they have-the one that was parked outside the B&G Club tonight is an embarrassment and a disgrace to the image of our town.

Yes, it seems that the first signs of desparation have emerged from the republican camp-soon it will be all downhill.

P.S. Scanlon was in town and active in many organizations long before the "Cryan crowd" arrived.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >To hal
<Date:29-Sep-98 >

We're still waiting for his account of the political history of Joe Florio.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:29-Sep-98 >

Such angry people today! Calm down.

I like the truck; it's the the good ol days of old fashion politics.

I think Russ Triolio and the B & G club would have said something if they felt it was not ethnically correct.

Wait a second.....was there a knock at the Seniors? It was just last Tuesday where seniors were not only plugging, but reading letters to the Governing body that WERE WRITTEN BY SOMEBODY ELSE!!!!

Ugh!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >ilikeme
<Date:29-Sep-98 >

Sorry but I cannot agree with TO ALL"S remarks con- cerning Ferreira's being in John Q. Public's eye. Before this election I never heard of her. She may turn out to be a good candidate, but I just don't know yet. I have lived in town for over 20 yrs. and can tell you for sure that Scanlon did not come to Union with Cryan. Scanlon has lived in town apprx. 16 yrs, Cryan has been here for appx. 11 yrs. Please get your facts straight in the future. Thanks!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >confused
<Date:29-Sep-98 >

Boy am I confused.You Republicans really talk out of both sides of your mouths,don't you. One minute you're crucifying Scanlon-Cryan-Petti for bringing "big city politics" to our quaint little hamlet of Union-a charge that is totally unfounded- and the next you're hawking that carnival wagon as a demonstration of "...good ol fashioned politics.." It's little wonder that the electorate has no faith in your party nor your candidates...c'mon, stop embarassing our town with your idiocy and insincerety.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:29-Sep-98 >

What the hell is so hard to understand? Big City Politcs is one issue..... a campaign vehicle is another. Why are you trying to relate the two? You're confusing yourself, dumbass!! As you say all the time...it sounds with envy....as if you want a vehicle!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >taxpayer2
<Date:29-Sep-98 >

To: J

To some of us with a more mature (older) perspective a "campaign vehicle" and "Big City Politics" are very closely related. That is why "confused" is not confused.

That is also why your youthful exuberance makes you the "dumbass".

But of course,lest I forget,"you are only having fun", and that gives you every right to call anyone anything you want.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:29-Sep-98 >

Thanks TP2 :) You can call me a dumbass anytime you want....I like to be corrected when I am dead wrong, or even when there is another view to be presented. It's how I learn; it's how we all learn :)

For us younger mature folks, we see a camapign vehicle as an effective tool. I don't see a relationship to big city politics at all.

I take it that you've been arounda lot longer than I have and seen a lot more than I've seen, so I respect you and what you percieve it as.

As us young ones say... "It's all good!" (Translation: I hope we're 'cool' / I respect you & understand) :)

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >taxpayer2
<Date:30-Sep-98 >

To: J

We're cool.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >TO P
<Date:30-Sep-98 >

PLEASE FOR YOUR OWN GOOD LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF BLOCKBUSTING SO THAT YOU WON'T ACCUSE ANYONE OF THIS IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:30-Sep-98 >

who the hell is P?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Party Queen
<Date:30-Sep-98 >

I had a great time last night at your Fund raiser! It was very nice to see such a wonderful turnout! Great food, great entertainment, and great candiates! Keep up the good work!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >DEM ONE-b
<Date:30-Sep-98 >

Hey "J",excuse me for "invading" your club site,but I was reading through and I suppose you got your answer about the candidate's voting records.How could YOU be bamboozled by that story about the voters in question being the candidate's parents?? C'mon J,you're not that gullible are you?

I'm really puzzled about something. You are a bright,articulate energetic person.Based on your history of involvement in St.Michael's, I assume you have above average morals and principals. Given this abbreviated version of my perception of you, I cannot understand what attracts you to a group of malcontents,swindlers and losers that make up the local republican club.

I'm not trying to be critical of you,I just hate to see talent-and young talent at that-wasted.If you were in the Democratic camp you'd be a rising star for sure.Do you really have that big an ax to grind with Cryan-Scanlon- Petti? I'm sorry,I don't mean to question your personal choices,it's like I said, I hate to see talent go to waste...

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:30-Sep-98 >

I thank you for your compliments. You're not invading my site, this is everybody's site!

It's all in the eye of the beholder. You see the Republican club as the way I see the PRINCIPLES, MORALS, OBJECTIVES, AND THOUGHT of the Democratic Club. Not so much the people.

I've said it thousands of times before, and I'll say it again, I admire Pat Scanlon very much for all of his effrots & activities here in Union. No axe to grind with him.

I sorta know Jerome Petti. I know his dad too, from driving the bus. They never did anything to me - I have no grindage there either.

As for Cryan, I have never met the man face to face. I know who he is, and I assume he has heard about me. My brother and his daughter are friends, and so am I with Meghan. Do I have an axe there? Nope.

I don't like the way I see your club working. It looks to be as if the Columbian Italian American Club, the Irish American Club, the Democratic Club ave all inter-winded. I really don't like what happened last year with the elections. You ruined one of the best men we ever had in the Township of Union, Lou Giacona. I saw evil,dirty, sleezy,down right LOW politcal practices coming out from the club. It made me sick. Again, what you view as the Republican club I saw the Democrat Club. Also, I can't get over how many Democrats are practicing Roman Catholics. It makes no sense if you think about it.

I don't like the fact that all I see my leadership doing is reading off of scripts and taking orders. It makes you wonder if the leadership has thoughts, if they were actually incorporated into what they read, and if these elected officals are really serving my town, and not just one Super Machine.

Finally (for now), I am afraid. I am afraid that when it is my time to run - FOR ANYTHING HERE IN TOWN - that my repuation, hard work, thousands of volunteering projects, committees I've worked on, and everything I have done for the township of Union will be ruined. Such is politics, but I've worked too hard to be ruined at such a young age. And, I'm sure you know just like verybody else, the only interst in me is to help my town and the people in it.

I've seen your clubs capabillities, and I just don't like it.... and furthermore, I fear it...not ruining the town but ruining me over one word: REPUBLICAN.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Agree
<Date:30-Sep-98 >

I have to agree with J on this. He will not only be crushed as a person, but he'll be ruined and smeared to a point of no return.

He is between a rock and a hard place; he's can't back out. He can't leave his party; he'll be a Paragano-ite. Then he'll have to start from scratch again.

I'm sure he's well aware the the Republicans are sunk. He's not an idiot and knows that Cryan runs the show.

What does the kid do? Just stick it out, J. If you don't stand your ground, you could be done quicker. Maybe drop the from Republican, go Indie and then run as an Indie? Just a thought.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Agree
<Date:30-Sep-98 >

I have to agree with J on this. He will not only be crushed as a person, but he'll be ruined and smeared to a point of no return.

He is between a rock and a hard place; he's can't back out. He can't leave his party; he'll be a Paragano-ite. Then he'll have to start from scratch again.

I'm sure he's well aware the the Republicans are sunk. He's not an idiot and knows that Cryan runs the show.

What does the kid do? Just stick it out, J. If you don't stand your ground, you could be done quicker. Maybe drop the from Republican, go Indie and then run as an Indie? Just a thought.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >DEM ONE-b
<Date:30-Sep-98 >

You're a little off base in some of your perceptions,but I was your age once-not all that long ago-and I now look at my youth and recognize that often my zeal tended to cloud the overall picture.

I will never divulge my identity on these threads-sorry, there's too many nuts with PCs these days,but I can assure you of this: I identify with and appreciate your love and dedication for our town. I am not Superman,but I am capable of assuring you that you will never be ruined, smeared or that your efforts on your own behalf will be wasted. I will do everything I can to rid our town of people who have taken advantage of it for their own personal gain-to some extent I've accomplished this already- but as for you, I respect your opinion.Consider me,if you will,...your guardian angel...in a donkey disguise.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >ELIZABETH REPUBLICANS
<Date:30-Sep-98 >

HOW ABOUT THOSE RACES IN THE SECOND AND SIXTH WARD IN ELIZABETH. I THINK WITH A LITTLE PERSISTENCE AND HARD WORK ELIZABETH WILL FINALLY HAVE SOME REPUBLICANS ON THEIR CITY COUNCIL.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:01-Oct-98 >

hmmmmmmmmm.... Elizabeth Republicans....oxymoron?

Dem One-B - I thank you very much. I just hope that you're a man of your word, and keep ur intents. Unfortunately, some people in Union these days..love ya one day...and will remove the knife they planted in you the next.

As to your name....I have a couple people in mind...you don't have to discolse your name on here. It's not like I say my full name....but just enough (well, just one letter) to let everybody know it's me.

Keep in touch, and keep an eye on me ;)

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >DEM ONE-b
<Date:01-Oct-98 >

Not to worry young friend,my word is like gold in good ol' Unionville...sleep tight...

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Helder
<Date:01-Oct-98 >

J,

Nothing personal, I was young and idealistic like you once and now I realize that no one political party encompasses all my opnions and feelings. When I was 19 I was an ardent Republican, when I was 24 (Bush in office) I became an ardent Democrat as I couldn't stand the direction that the Christian Right was taking the party, now I vote for the candidate that I feel encomapsses my ideals most whether they be Democratic, Liberaterian, Republican or Green. In reality each party has a lot going for it. (Not that I support all ideals). Republicans and Liberterians in their belief in less government, the greens in their support of the enviroment and the democrats and liberterarian in their belief of individual choice. (I think my political philosophy would run more in the Libertarian and green affiliation (I know its difficult to believe but I like less goverment controls with strong nationwide enviromental laws, call me crazy!!)). Before I lose my track of thought (I had a good bottle of chardonay with dinner!.BTW I made Chicken parmigan, a salad with balsamic vinager dressing, Garlic bread and an espresso for desert (Not very Portuguese)) I don't think the Republican party bit the dust in Union. The two Republican candidates in my opinion are weak. Olga Ferreira even though she is Portuguese won't get a lot of Portuguese votes. She was gone for the summer, she isn't campaigning, she hasn't made any strong statements. Minton is in the same boat, I saw him at the Italian feast did he come by and say any thing did he hand out literature, has he made any speeches. I was actaully disapointed as I wanted to vote Republican this election. I don't like the thought of a Democratic having total say in the council. A little variety adds to the debate. The Republicans are just out for this election. Wait until next year, maybe I'll run against you!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:01-Oct-98 >

LOL....it would be a pleasuer to run against you Helder. It might jsut be a clean campaign between the two of us...if it was only us. I have about 2 1/2 years ...3 1/2 if i get my masters in a year...left of school...so you gotta wait until I get back.

As to your ideas....i agree, and disagree. But, it's all good.

BTW - I met Helder at the Feast...so to those people who think it's Ray.... you're wrong.

If you're going to run next year. good for you. Only 1 seat up....Florio's...ugh....if you don't run I will...

Later~

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:01-Oct-98 >

E-mail me your address HJBRO69@AOl.com

I look forward to it in three years then! I'll either run Independent or Democrat just for the challenge!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Helder
<Date:01-Oct-98 >

J,

The last message was from me. I promise no more wine and then local-source!!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Voter R Us!!
<Date:02-Oct-98 >

To Helder: Do you know Olga Ferriera? Have you ever had a chance to speak to her. If you have a chance, or the courage, I should say, talk to her about your concerns. I know her fairly well...she sold me a house in Union a few years ago and my wife and her have kept in touch. I acn tell you this much, if it weren't for her I would not have bought in Union. She truly cares about this town and I know she'll fight for the people in Union. She's feisty, aggressive and doesn't take crap from anyone. Talking about people being bought or whatever...try it with Olga. I know she does well as a realtor and she owns alot of real estate. If I know Olga enough, she is going to surprise alot of people.

Is this true that they will only get paid $10,000 Whow!! GET RICH FAST! I wouldn't do it.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Helder
<Date:02-Oct-98 >

To Voter R Us,

Unlike you I have the courage to put my actual name on these threads, so I do have the "courage" to talk to her, I have the courage to talk to anyone. The "feisty, aggressive and doesn't take crap from anyone" attitude is a general Portuguese trait. Most of us are taught to rock the boat, question authority. Did you read anywhere in my thread that she would be paid off, I never said that, my statement is:

"Olga Ferreira even though she is Portuguese won't get a lot of Portuguese votes . She was gone for the summer, she isn't campaigning, she hasn't made any strong statements"

All of which is true: 1) Generally Portuguese People vote Democratic, the Republican party has angered a lot of Portuguese born citizens because of them canceling several benefits for LEGAL immigrants, (If you don't believe me, get a translator to read you the articles in the Luso-Americano, the Bi-weekly Portuguese NewsPaper). BTW my parents dealt with her when they were buying a house and weren't impressed, as I wasn't with several of the realtors in the area. IMHO most of the Portuguese realtors in the area use the "I'm Portuguese your Portuguese, you should buy from me" crap. It didn't work with me and doesn't work with a lot of people.

Olga went to Portugal for a long time during the summer, I also went but I'm not running.

Olga hasn't been campaining heavily, I didn't see her at the festival, I haven't gotten any campaign literature, I haven't seen any articles in the papers about her.

And lastly as I don't know what she stands for I haven't heard any of her statements.

BTW: If you are such a good friend of hers ask her to come on here and respond to my concern, If I liked her answer I would vote for her.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:02-Oct-98 >

Point of fact, ladies & Gents:

Every cndidate views localsource.com as nothing but trash, sleeze, and and a place to bust peoples chops in anominity (sp?).

Every candidate, as well current committeeman, dismisses the idea of even LOOKING at these threads.

So they Say - BUT I GUESS EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF EM' READS IT :)

Keep posting! Susan Weeks (from the League of Women Voters) who posted earlier saying that this was only Entertainment is kinda right in a way. It's fun :)

So keep hammerin, and as long as you hammer, ther will be a reader.

Later~

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >ilikeme
<Date:02-Oct-98 >

Sorry to say but things look bleak. I was informed by a very reliable source that the Dem. fundraiser held at Galloping Hill Caterers last nite for Scanlon&Restivo drew a crowd upwards of 150 @ $125.00 a pop. I really don't see how we will have the resources nor the manpower to mount a serious challenge. I hope I'm wrong. Maybe with Franks at the head of the ticket will help.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >to ilikeme
<Date:02-Oct-98 >

to ilikeme

How do you know what resources or (wo)manpower the Rep ticket has? There is still time and I'll bet several more fundraisers coming.

If people keep saying things look bleak, then they will be bleak. If people say there is still fight left, then there will be a challenge.

Ferreira and Minton are NOT in it to lose or to give up.

They are in it to do the best they can with what they have - resources, personpower, etc.

Watch for the debate, other literature and such to come out before making such bleak statements.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >disclaimer
<Date:02-Oct-98 >

PEOPLE OF UNION:

This localsource is for ENTERTAINMENT purposes only

Anything you read on these threads without name and phone number should be considered personal attacks on others.

Form your own opinions on the candidates based on your personal knowledge NOT on innuendo or accusations from these threads.

Watch the debate on October 19.

Have fun and VOTE for the best woman/man on November 3.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Uncommitted voter
<Date:02-Oct-98 >

Maybe a reality check from an uncommitted voter will bring some sanity to these threads.

1) As far as the literature at the feast. It is not allowed for any flyers to be distributed at the feast. When the county candidates come through town, they give out Lit quickly and leave, but from inception it has been agreed to that no political lit will be allowed to be given out. That's probably why you saw Minton walking back and forth and greeting people that showed some interest in the campaign. I watched him and he was respectfull of peoples privacy and spent time with those that were receptive. Saturday night he even chipped in and helped with audio and lighting at the showmobile since the technician had his hands full. I happen to know Charlie and these insults from the Dems about his character is baseless. They confuse his pride in his accomplishments and showing off. Nothing is further from the truth. From day 1 in Union, over 7 years ago, he got involved in the community. ALL VOLUNTEER. I read Scanlon's lit and just about all of his community involvement is political appointments. Thats not such a bad thing but hardly qualifies as caring for this town as if he did it as a volunteerand non-political. Restivo's involvement is minimal as is Ferreira's so it's a tie.

2) Fer-Min did give hundreds of balloons and met each of those people. Looks like Bob Franks donated these balloons to them. Perhaps he is supporting their candidacy, thats means a lot to me!

3) Campaigns are expensive thats probably why you have not seen much if any lit so far. I hope they are going door to door and at least getting their word out.

4) As far as the campaign vehicle, Jerome Petti did it when he ran. I think if Fer-Min knew that they would have not done it their self. What an act to follow, Jerome Petti, He is truly sleazy and since he is strongly allied with Cryan that really sways my vote to the R's.

What we need I believe is fresh blood, Scan-Res are stagnant and clearly beholding to the party. Guar-Fel not a team who would represent Union well. Prather, well nuff said.

Do we split vote, that would be a tragedy and just give more strnght to the three stooges already there.

I am not endorsing the R's yet as it may sound I want to meet them personally and hear them for my self. I'll keep you posted if I get to meet them

Just a thought.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Suggestion
<Date:02-Oct-98 >

If you want to hear all the candidates, come to Town Hall at 8 P.M. Monday evening, October 19 for the League of Women Voters Candidates Night.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Voter R Us
<Date:02-Oct-98 >

Helder- i didn't mean to attack you or anything of that sort, I just read a lot of crap about people no one seems to know. By the way I'm surprised you didn't see Olga Ferriera at the feast. She was there all weekend with Minten. and just so youknow the reason she went to Portugal, was to visit her father in law who had a heart attack and was not well and I think her nephew passed away not long ago too...so if peple don't undertand..that's a dam shame. I didn't see any candidate yet anyway so I don't think much was missed.

By the way, does any one here really know any of the candidates besides me. and I don't mean just seeing them passing by...I mean knowing them personally or somewhat even...Sanlon-Restivo and Minten.

I think it is in poor taste to see the things that are said about candidates people don't know. If you don't know them how can you talk about them. Do you not have anything else to do. I am starting to think that it is not the politicians that are dirty...some people here are.

Get real...and get to know the candidates so that you can have possibly something meaningful to say about someone/anyone.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >R U SURE
<Date:03-Oct-98 >

To: Uncommitted Voter

You are certainly not uncommitted, and in all likelyhood probably Charlie the "Chump' himself.

Franks is no where near your campaign, and to speak of literature, former ALTAR BOY!!!!! Thats some claim to fame. Keep putting your hoof in your mouth you horse's ????

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >committed voter
<Date:03-Oct-98 >

to:un-committed voter

I would assume that Scanlon's biographical literature highlights government related experience to enlighten voters regarding his public service experience. It is interesting to me that while some are branding him as a political "yes man" they do not take into consideration the favt that during his tenure as a member of the Board of Health he was reappointed to another term when there was a republican majority on the basis of his expertise on issues of Public Health. If he were such a "hack" I'm sure that the republicans would have dumped him when they had the chance.

As to "volunteerism", I happen to know for a fact that he was a Litttle League coach for many years,a VFW Teener League coach for several years-during which time he was an officer of the organization,has coached numerous youth sports at the Boys & Girls Club,a CYO parent volunteer,a PTA member,a founder of the Municipal Alliance to prevent Alcohol and Drug Abuse; he has coached for the Union Rams youth football organization,etc,etc,etc...

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >committed voter
<Date:03-Oct-98 >

to:un-committed voter

I would assume that Scanlon's biographical literature highlights government related experience to enlighten voters regarding his public service experience. It is interesting to me that while some are branding him as a political "yes man" they do not take into consideration the favt that during his tenure as a member of the Board of Health he was reappointed to another term when there was a republican majority on the basis of his expertise on issues of Public Health. If he were such a "hack" I'm sure that the republicans would have dumped him when they had the chance.

As to "volunteerism", I happen to know for a fact that he was a Litttle League coach for many years,a VFW Teener League coach for several years-during which time he was an officer of the organization,has coached numerous youth sports at the Boys & Girls Club,a CYO parent volunteer,a PTA member,a founder of the Municipal Alliance to prevent Alcohol and Drug Abuse; he has coached for the Union Rams youth football organization,etc,etc,etc...

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >committed voter
<Date:03-Oct-98 >

to:un-committed voter

I would assume that Scanlon's biographical literature highlights government related experience to enlighten voters regarding his public service experience. It is interesting to me that while some are branding him as a political "yes man" they do not take into consideration the favt that during his tenure as a member of the Board of Health he was reappointed to another term when there was a republican majority on the basis of his expertise on issues of Public Health. If he were such a "hack" I'm sure that the republicans would have dumped him when they had the chance.

As to "volunteerism", I happen to know for a fact that he was a Litttle League coach for many years,a VFW Teener League coach for several years-during which time he was an officer of the organization,has coached numerous youth sports at the Boys & Girls Club,a CYO parent volunteer,a PTA member,a founder of the Municipal Alliance to prevent Alcohol and Drug Abuse; he has coached for the Union Rams youth football organization,etc,etc,etc...

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >committed voter
<Date:03-Oct-98 >

to:un-committed voter

I would assume that Scanlon's biographical literature highlights government related experience to enlighten voters regarding his public service experience. It is interesting to me that while some are branding him as a political "yes man" they do not take into consideration the favt that during his tenure as a member of the Board of Health he was reappointed to another term when there was a republican majority on the basis of his expertise on issues of Public Health. If he were such a "hack" I'm sure that the republicans would have dumped him when they had the chance.

As to "volunteerism", I happen to know for a fact that he was a Litttle League coach for many years,a VFW Teener League coach for several years-during which time he was an officer of the organization,has coached numerous youth sports at the Boys & Girls Club,a CYO parent volunteer,a PTA member,a founder of the Municipal Alliance to prevent Alcohol and Drug Abuse; he has coached for the Union Rams youth football organization,etc,etc,etc...

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >
<Date:03-Oct-98 >

Pats Volunteerism Little League,Teener League,and other sports organizations though he was as dumb as a box of rocks,and also the Hospital.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >uncommitted voter
<Date:03-Oct-98 >

To: RU SURE

I am not Charlie but I have worked with him on several of the committes he has worked on. He was Chairman of some of them. He was promoted to the Chair by his peers because he is a leader and has good ideas that work and raise money for the charities he is involved with. ALL VOLUNTEER. He didn't get involved just because his kids were on the team, he got involved just because he cares.

People of Union lookm at the response we receive when we talk about someone accomplishments in a positive way. The response is personal name calling like "chump" they even go so far as to insult the Lord by making reference to an Altar Boy!! Giving back to his church qualifies as community involvement at age 8, was Pat involved that early? I hope so.

But when you put up a security guard at Central 5 that wants to be our Mayor you are going to far. Pat obviously cares for this community but is hardly qualified to be the Mayor. Brenda supplements her "private accounting practice" by working as a substitue teacher, I guess she could not make a go of that "practice" The Teachers really don't like her so that why she didn't mention it!

I still wait to talk to Olga and the Indie's before making my decision. But make no mistake, the more name calling by the dem supporters just proves that we don't need vindictave people on the Township Committee or their friends.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >To hal
<Date:03-Oct-98 >

Now that you have resurfaced on other threads, can you please give us the documentation that Joe Florio "ran under the GOP banner at one time or another"? You made this claim on September 27 and have never backed it up!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >taxpayer2
<Date:04-Oct-98 >

To "Uncommitted Voter"

Brenda Restivo loves to be involved with kids. Ask what she has done for the youth groups at St. Lukes Church. Kids, especally her own kids, have always come first. It has always been a matter of choice for Brenda, not necessity.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Got your ears on!!!
<Date:04-Oct-98 >

Olga Ferriera - self-employed real estate agent full-time.

Brenda Restivo - substitute teacher - part time.

Pat Scanlon - security guard at Central 5 full time.

Charlie Minton - president of alarm company full time.

Can anyone on this thread give us further details to substantiate which two people should be handling the affais of Township of Union?

This is important to us all...let's start doing our homework and post some information that will help us at election time. There is one month left to research this...let's get started.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Taxpayer 3
<Date:04-Oct-98 >

My choice for mayor in November: Marion's godchild!

Vote for me

I love to drink I'm usually plastered I'll try to think to manage your town

See you in November!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:04-Oct-98 >

Kewl!! Animation!! I am a little lost about why you posted what each candidate's job is....answer your own question as you want the info. to be viewed as..in other words why did you post that...to prove what about who??

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >definitive points
<Date:05-Oct-98 >

I don't know about Restivo,but I do know this:if Olga is "self-employed" who is her "boss",Carlos Coutro, a wheeler dealer realator with connections to some highly questionable Ironbound(Newark) rackateers? This company that Minton is president of? , how many employees does it have? The answer is ONE-Charlie himself! and, ask any parent,or,better yet,ask any staff member what Scanlon's role is at Central Five-security will be at the bottom of the lidt if mentioned at all.

Wanna know what's really amusing? The republicans-for lack of a platform squawked for a clean campaign pledge-and now that zero hour is approaching who is hurling the dirt? So much for credibility-but then again on the heels of Calleo, DiGiovanni,Giacona and Bellotti to name a few should we expect anything but lies, deceit and innuendo from the republican camp???

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >to definitive points
<Date:05-Oct-98 >

What lies, deceit and innuendo are coming from the republican camp.

The info posted above by 'got your ears on' comes from the campaign literature from both parties.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >ilikeme
<Date:05-Oct-98 >

Can anyone tell me if John Paragano will be campaigning for the Ferreira/Minton ticket?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >R U SURE
<Date:05-Oct-98 >

Everyone involved knows that Greg Muller cannot make a public endorsement for Scanlon. However Greg & Pat have been pals for 15 years. Greg is fed up with the disorganization within the Party. Greg will work for Pat behind the scenes. When Scanlon WINS let's see if Greg get's a JOB or some type of PATRONAGE!!!!!!!!

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >to defenitive points
<Date:05-Oct-98 >

Olga Fereira is SELF EMPLOYED dim wit, she doesn't have a BOSS but you should have figured that out if you had half a brain. I hear she makes a darn good income manageing her clients and her time and well as all the intracasies of being an independent contractor. As for calling Carlo Coutos a rackateer, well that's slander. I hope he finds out who you are.

Maybe you had to much to drink before posting this.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >J
<Date:05-Oct-98 >

John endorsing Minton - Feirra? Sick Humor.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Listen Here
<Date:06-Oct-98 >

I've heard that Olga Ferriera doesn't want any money from the town when she gets elected. I would like to know if she intends to go public with this. Just wondering how many people would be disinterested in TC if they all had to do this. This is getting good. Any responses.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >taxpayer2
<Date:06-Oct-98 >

To: Listen Here

I feel that the stipend paid to public officials is necessary to defer incurred expenses with the campaign and the office. It minimizes the tendency to only attract candidates that can afford the time and expense. The stipend (helps) puts everyone on a level playing field. Some will need the stipend and some don't.

For instance; Olga, if elected, would be giving up time that she could be useing for real estate sales. To add insult to injury the expenses and inconvenience incurred could deter Olga from running. Olga may well be able to deal with this better than another candidate.

You could force all candidates to affiliate with a political party by making it more difficult for the independant candidate. I advocate paying a stipend for the BOE. Yes, even a BOE election is expensive. Just price the cost of a couple of ads so that people can read about your credentials. And if you get elected the time commitment is staggering and costly. I feel that the lack of a stipend forces a BOE candidate to affiliate with a political party so they can afford the campaign.

Civic service is wonderful, but to ignore the practical aspects is in the long run a dis-service to the voter. I don't think it would be wise to "disinterest" anyone from running for public office by making the burden unbearable.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >`Consider This
<Date:06-Oct-98 >

The township committee members are paid a salary , not a stipend. This means they are entitled to pension and health coverage. A stipend is usually considered a payment per meeting and does not entail the added benefits.

Thereare some municipalities in Union County, Westfield comes to mind, where members of the governing body are paid only a symbolic $1 per year. They are the exception. Most towns have members of their town council on the payroll.

Union is however, the only municipality in New Jersey that pays members of the Zoning Board a salary, costing taxpayers about $50,000 a year they could be saving. Newark pays a stipend per meeting attended.

No towns pay members of the Board of Education and I wouldn't be surprised if such payment were barred by state law. There are many intelligent, able citizens eager to serve on the Board of Education without compensation. Why burden the taxpayer unnecessarily?

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >taxpayer2
<Date:06-Oct-98 >

To: Consider this

Ok Salary/Stipend. If I am not mistaken a teachers stipend is included in their pension formula.

But whatever; the fact that Westfield pays their committee only $1 is not symbolic. Because they get a dollar ( I believe ) this still credits them with one year of elgibility in the pension program. Anyone help me here? My perception is that the Westfield Town Council can individually afford to serve but they have not given up their pension. They either have to put in 10 years or get to 65 in order to retire. If they survive 10 years I'll bet you they get a real paying job somewhere along the line. The pension is based on the highest three years of employment or one year if you are a veteren.

I once saw a survey that indicated that many other towns do not find it necessary to pay Council members.

You are right about the BOE. They can not be paid.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Consider this
<Date:06-Oct-98 >

Pension benefits are based on earnings, either highest three years or last three years,as a public servant. I'm not sure which. The fact remains that, for the pension credits earned to mean anything, the retiree must have commanded a high salary in PUBLIC service. The person who spends all or most of his wage earning years in the private sector will only collect peanuts. The largest percentage of town council members never become full time public employees. The $1 per year is symbolic.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >taxpayer2
<Date:07-Oct-98 >

I looked it up. In order to get a "good" year for State of NJ pension your earnings must be at least $1,500. That means that Union's Bd of Adjustment are earning a future pension or at least creditable pension years.

Yes, a $1 per year is symbolic.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >taxpayer2
<Date:07-Oct-98 >

I looked it up. In order to get a "good" year for State of NJ pension your earnings must be at least $1,500. That means that Union's Bd of Adjustment are earning a future pension or at least creditable pension years.

Yes, a $1 per year is symbolic.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >taxpayer2
<Date:07-Oct-98 >

I looked it up. In order to get a "good" year for State of NJ pension your earnings must be at least $1,500. That means that Union's Bd of Adjustment are earning a future pension or at least creditable pension years.

Yes, a $1 per year is symbolic.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >Retired BOA member
<Date:07-Oct-98 >

The pension check I get from the state as a retired member of the Zoning Board is $65 per month. It takes care of dinner and maybe a movie if we don't eat too much.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >taxpayer2
<Date:07-Oct-98 >

To: "Retired BOA member"

Don't get me wrong. I do not begrudge you your pension benefit. By working in the public sector you have earned that pension many times over. People who have never served will never appreciate the special people who do get involved.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >For Better or Worse..or Wealthy!!
<Date:08-Oct-98 >

Why is everyone mentioning that Ferriera is wealthy;well off;makes lots;etc.etc. How would anyone know what she makes or doesn't make. Furthermore, if she does make that kind of dough she must work hard for it. Real estate is a doggy dog business. My cousin is a realtor and he knows Ferriera very well through the business. He says she is one of the best realtors in this area and well respected.

Call me wrong, but for someone so young with young children to be as succesful as she is, or claim her to be, she must be doing something right or...... maybe she's just lucky. I'd like some of that luck. I don't know her personally, but I have heard alot of things about her, and not just by my cousin either. Someone also told me she went to law school. I know she's campaigning but I have not had a chance to hear any of her statements. Looking forward to meeting this Lady. She's cute-drives a nice Beamer-has money...I'm in Love.

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >?
<Date:09-Oct-98 >

Anybody get the Dems flyer yeaterday? I haven't seen a thing from Olga, what else has she done besides selling houses? r? besides

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >to tp2
<Date:09-Oct-98 >

teacher stipends not included in pension formula

<Subject: RE: Republican Club Site Update>
<From: >DEM THREE
<Date:09-Oct-98 >

Hey "J" where have you been? Trying to get some $$$ for your stars? Face it kid, they are sunk. Join us, join us! The grass IS greener over here, and your welcome to it anytime.